Living through transition with Nicole Yunker

Brad Seaman: [00:00:00] You know, over the last 20 years, you’ve had some setback. I know you’re a mom of a five, which I think there’s a lot of first year. So you’re definitely the first real estate agent we’ve had on you’re the first mom of five that I’m aware of. Um, and the first person, I, I know personally, so this should be fun.

You’ve got me beat. Cause I’ve got, I’ve got, I’ve got four, which seems like it doesn’t seem like a lot. Until I go to the grocery store and I see somebody like you and all their kids are in diapers and they’re dead and out just one at a time and they don’t stop

Nicole Yunker: [00:00:36] except twins came at the end. So then I got to five, a little quicker than I ever would have thought I never

Brad Seaman: [00:00:40] thought about.

Were you shocked when you got, uh, when you ha, when the last two were taken?

Nicole Yunker: [00:00:47] Um, this is true. Well, when you went to talk about my life, I never thought I was done. I never worried about kids. I never held a kid. They would come to the office and my first job they’d come to the office and people would bring their baby in after maternity leave.

And I was the one that wouldn’t even hold it. I didn’t care. I didn’t. I was like, cool, congratulations. And I had write back and keep working. I thought I was living in New York city, had a red couch and a loft apartment. I had no need to have kid didn’t hate them. Just didn’t meet them. Didn’t didn’t think of.

And so to think this is my life is kind of funny because now I’m the one that they come in and I’m like, that’s five months, not six months, but you just don’t know how it’s going to work out. I

Brad Seaman: [00:01:27] guess you have a passion for French, or did you just use that as, as something that would support the international.

Business

Nicole Yunker: [00:01:35] major. Um, you took foreign language in, in like middle school, like everybody else did. And then I liked it and I think probably different minds work different ways, but a foreign language to me was I clicked with it and I, I enjoyed it. So I love learning. So. Uh, that was my, my brain must think that way and it worked out for me, so I enjoyed it.

Brad Seaman: [00:01:56] What do you do when you get out? Uh, when you got out of school, what did, so you sounded like you wanted to go to New York. So do you, do you make it to New York or you get diverted?

Nicole Yunker: [00:02:05] Well, what happened is growing up? My dad’s a police officer and he may remember this, but in high school he was the media relations.

Uh, correspondent between Indianapolis police department and the news stations. So my dad was on the news every day. Updating the local news stations about what was going on with the police department. Yeah. So I would be in some of the environments, like sometimes he would let me come or I’d be around, um, that community of people.

So I thought I wanted to be a news reporter. So I went to ball state, uh, for telecommunications and I sat in the very front row of class T comm 1 0 1 day one college, you know, I’m ready to shake hands with the professors. I got a radio show. So this podcast thing is hilarious. Cause we, this is what we did.

Like, this is what we did the first year at ball state. I found a buddy and we started our own radio. I don’t know. I think I got a little bit schooled. By the professors talking about the industry. I think we think things are going to be one way and then you realize, hold on a second. Oh, there’s actually five news reporters on a station.

That’s five people in Indianapolis that actually do that job. And I’m sitting in a classroom of 300 people. So we all want to do the same thing. What’s the point? So I think I thought, you know what? I don’t know that that’s the industry that I’m going to go with, but I didn’t know what I wanted to do. I knew I wanted to go overseas and do a study abroad.

That’s why I got going with the French. And then I realized that would fit into the international business major. And through that, I, I really just wanted to work. I wanted to work in corporate America. I wanted to work for a big company. I was putting together like the background I had. And I think we always just think about like what we’ve been prepared for, what we’re interested in.

I heard, um, a mentor told me, um, calling into the life is where your passions meet the world’s greatest needs, and that’s where you have the greatest impact. So I just did a lot of soul searching. How was I uniquely made? What am I personally interested in and how can I do that on a daily basis and have a fun, fun, enjoyable career that successful.

So I don’t know. It just, I had this thing in my head. I wanted to work in corporate America. I wanted to climb the ladder. So I wanted to work for Revlon or L’Oreal somewhere that had an office in New York and Paris. That’s what I had in my mind. And I wanted that red couch.

Brad Seaman: [00:04:30] I talked about w w what’s the w was there anything specific around the red couch?

Nicole Yunker: [00:04:35] Um, I just, it just feels like this symbol. I think it was just this thing I had, like, I would have a lot in New York city with the red couch and then I’ve really arrived. But then, yeah, so then I went and got my very first job. I moved to Columbus, Ohio, and I was. I got into fashion. I really was interested in fashion retail.

That to me was like, uh, I love, I love fashion. And, um, to work at a fashion, retailer would have been like my ultimate. So Columbus, Ohio is actually a hub for that industry. They’ve got limited brands, Abercrombie, uh, value cities, they’re DSW. They had justice limited all the small brands that they own. So, um, I thought I’m going to get a job with him.

Well, I didn’t, I went over there and I interviewed for a job and didn’t get it. And I ended up working for a freight forwarding company. And that was really humbling because that was not a red couch in New York city. That was like me in a cube. And, you know, I mean, the industry’s just not glamorous. I mean, I was literally plugging in.

FedEx tracking numbers into FedEx website. So do

Brad Seaman: [00:05:44] you, so when this is happening or is there like a, are you like emotionally let down?

Nicole Yunker: [00:05:49] Oh, I’m like, is this a joke? Cause the 22 year old Nicole and, you know, doing the job fair. I mean, I had interviewed with Wrigley and HP and I had said no to a couple of jobs and this is where I ended up.

Oh Lord, what am I doing here? Um, and you know, it was just really not the coworker environment. You think, you know, you’re not spraying each other. That was just a really rough, you know, there’s just a lot of

Brad Seaman: [00:06:13] w was it kind of, so if you’re in the logistics space, is it kind of blue collar, but you’re working in a warehouse?

Nicole Yunker: [00:06:21] No, I was working in the office area, which was a few cubes popped up. In the front of a warehouse. Okay. Okay.

Brad Seaman: [00:06:28] But there is a warehouse connect, so you’re, so you’re, you’re putting the orders or you’re basically kind of handling right. Taking

Nicole Yunker: [00:06:34] freight or moving freight for companies. So we are, uh, our clientele was Abercrombie and limited.

And, um,

Brad Seaman: [00:06:42] well this is for, from the show. This is far from, uh, the showroom of what you, what you expect. Yeah. We’re

Nicole Yunker: [00:06:48] pushing their freight on steamship lines in the airlines and trucks.

Brad Seaman: [00:06:54] Now do you report in this role? Are you like an, are you is, so is this a marketing role? This is probably more of an operations role.

What’s

Nicole Yunker: [00:07:01] called an analyst. So this means you go to FedEx website and track rate. So every morning I would input, where was your container load last night? And I would send over a spreadsheet on Excel to the customers. So I thought to myself, all right. So after I kind of picked myself up out of this is your reality, what is, what are you going to do about it?

And I said, all right, well, if this is my job, I am going to. Have this not be my job. I’m going to have this be a stepping stone. So I went to the, um, the owner of the, of the branch knitting, and I was like, maybe, and I want to be you, how could I be? How could I do what you do? Would you bring me to your sales meetings?

Um, so she did, she let me come along. And so I got to be like coming along to the meetings with Abercrombie and limited where they were bidding out a contract for the year. And I was just a fly on the wall and we would exchange cards before the meeting at the T. And then I would go back and I kept their cards in a Rolodex, and then I would email him.

It was nice to meet you at the meeting. It was great meeting you. Um, is there a time we could have coffee if anything ever opens up, let me know. I’ve I’ve wanted to work for your company. So I ended up having an interview at Abercrombie unlimited and I ended up moving over. I got offers with both of them and I went to lemons.

So about a year and a half later, I got, oh my gosh. Now I’ve made it. Now. I’ve made it into the company that I really wanted to work for. So, but you know, what had I not had some experience over at the freight forwarding company? How do you know? I just told my daughter this year. Well, she cut her hair short.

Well, how do you know you? You, you like long hair, if you never had a short, I know I love your hair long too, but she never had it short. So how do you really know? I love it long hair. How do you really know this is your job? If you’ve never had.

Brad Seaman: [00:08:51] Yeah, it’s it’s so it’s easy to connect stuff and it’s, it’s hard when things are occurring, connect the dots.

It’s like, you can only, you know, one of the first guests we had in the patch has got it. Rob bell, who’s a mental toughness. Coach primarily works with PGA tour golfers, and he says it’s so much easier to connect the dots in the rear view. You know, it’s hard to connect them when they’re happening

Nicole Yunker: [00:09:12] life and transition.

This is what I’ve realized, or usually not arriving at anything. We’re usually on the way to something are the way out of something. No matter what it is, personal or professional, you’re pretty much never enjoying them. You’re planning for the event. The event lasted, you know, three hours and then you’re cleaning up after the event.

So if you can’t get used to life in transition, if you can’t get used to the ride, you’re gonna have a long life, which kind of sucks when you’re in the moment. It’s never fun to hear, but, uh, but I think I kinda knew that too. I’m like, okay, I know this stinks, but this isn’t going to be the end game. So I think that’s probably been a theme when you, when you know, you bring up a diversity, like, I haven’t always lived exactly where I want to be and I’m still not, but you know that you have, when you’ve seen it work in the past, you know, it’s going to keep working.

So then you, your faith grows because you’ve seen it come to fruition and then, you know, it will, even though, you know, it won’t, you know, well, so, um, that’s the other cool thing about getting older? I think. You’ve got some track record to build

Brad Seaman: [00:10:14] off. Now, do you feel, do you feel, or do you feel, I mean, do you feel like a mom that has.

Nicole Yunker: [00:10:21] No, no. When the babysitter comes over here and she’s maybe 16, I think I’m hurt. Oh my gosh. We’re actually not the same

Brad Seaman: [00:10:31] age. I went to apple to the apple store, which is a crazy experience in itself. Like it was all, it was like Colt white. I was just so confused about what was happening. We’re in the apple store in Castleton.

There’s all these people standing around. They don’t look like the buying anything I’m with my daughter. She’s getting ready to go to Purdue. We’re trying to buy a Mac book and, um, I get super fascinated with, um, on the wall. They have these, I don’t know, they’re like, it’s like a tile competitor. So you put the little thing on your phone.

So you don’t, you don’t lose your phone or you don’t lose your keys or your luggage and the apple can track it. So I go over to the wall and the guy’s like, Hey, is that your brother? And my daughter’s like, no, that’s mine. So that’s a good, yeah, but I definitely don’t. Yeah, I definitely don’t think. Yeah, I don’t the same thing.

I don’t, I don’t feel, I don’t feel,

Nicole Yunker: [00:11:21] they’re going to try to rush you like into some fraternity on

Brad Seaman: [00:11:24] moving. Totally. Didn’t try to rush me. That’s that’s really funny. Um, so, so you said you make this transition. So, so you get, you get into limited and I that’s one thing, you know, the one kind of quick takeaway here is like, okay, you quickly establish you.

Weren’t where you wanted to be. You created a plan. It sounded like you, you are like, okay, I’m going to get into these meetings. I’m going to put it, pass out my card. I’m going to create a up strategy. I’m going to try to get in front of these guys. I’m trying to get to a different spot. Um, when you came to new Dean, did she, what was her initial reaction when you told her, Hey, I want to be you.

I want to be in these meetings. She

Nicole Yunker: [00:12:04] said, shut the door. Sit down. I mean, I think when somebody shows initiative. You realize it’s not common. Some people show initiative and some people don’t like I’ve been told all my dad would give me a lot of really good advice, but like, you kinda just have to be normal.

You kind of just have to be on time. Responsible and consistent is really harder than that. In a lot of ways, we live in a world where a lot of people just can’t do the basics. So to show, like to rise above the basics, I think really stands out. You know, when your kids can shake a hand or say, please, and thank you.

I mean, oh my gosh, your kids are so good. Aren’t they? They just use manners.

Brad Seaman: [00:12:42] Yeah. That’s really, that’s really funny. Your kids are

Nicole Yunker: [00:12:44] so great, but it stands out, you know, the mom, a couple of moms that were just talking about the kids that stand out, you know, you have them over on my gosh. They just asked how can I, where to put my plate.

Wow. You just really rose above criminal crim. So anyway, she was no shoot. She received it. Well, I mean, I think that, um, good leaders want you to succeed, you know, there’s, there’s probably cause we’re human. There’s that first initial feeling of threat. Um, but then it’s like, okay, like let’s do this. And she was very supportive.

And so I always think we could probably all look back in our life with worker personal and you just have cheerleaders and she was a teacher.

Brad Seaman: [00:13:25] That’s awesome. Yeah, we definitely need everybody needs a needs, a cheerleader. And, uh, you know, just trying to, of doing like a quick scan, you know, I, it’s probably a good exercise to just periodically kind of stop and think about like, Hey, who am I connected to?

And who can I, you cannot be a cheerleader for, I know part of the podcast, part of the reason why we, uh, arrived on this idea of mental toughness. Or adversity. I mean, it’s really adversity, adversity, and setback that I had gone through a really, uh, difficult closing of a business, um, super painful. It was financially, personally, and I had a friend, um, who was kind of going through the same thing.

And it was really interesting how we get connected. I’m in a CEO group and one of the guys in the group is a veterinarian and he said, Hey, I had this guy from Crawfordsville, come out to my. House and put gutter covers on my house. And I just think you guys would be really good friends and he’s about your same age and business’s about the same place you are.

And I think you should call him. So this guy’s name is Adam Reisner and I call him and let them a message. And he calls me back a couple days later and he said, you know, Hey, I’m Adam. I didn’t want you to think that we didn’t get, wasn’t going to get back to you or that my guys didn’t get me the message.

And, uh, we met at a Panera and we’ll become best friends. And what’s really kind of funny, a couple of funny things. One Scott Hensley, you probably remember from high school who was also a good friend of mine, it’s actually his cousin. Um, but we will put that together for about 10 years, which when we do put it together, it’ll be, it’ll be funny.

But he called me, um, pretty much every day. It was like, Hey man, shave your face, know, get out of bed, keep that going. Um, and you got to have those. I mean, he was the chair, he was a cheerleader and a really important part of my life. Of getting it just reminded me to get up and do the little things. So yeah, those, those people are so important.

Um, so, so you get into limited brands. What, what happens next? So you go like, at what point did you start having kids? And, you know, it sounds like you’re not living in Indiana. How did you get back to Indiana? How did you get into real estate? I

Nicole Yunker: [00:15:35] was living in Columbus, Ohio, which is right next to Ohio state.

They’re upper Arlington and kind of, it just started over when I got to limited. Okay. Now I’m the. Import specialist here, analyst, specialist manager, like let’s keep going here. Well, I had gotten married and right one actually that right when I started limited brands is when I got married. So I’d probably worked at the freight forwarder for a couple of years.

At this point, it was probably a couple of years not shy of that. Come over to limited. I got married like two weeks after I started there. Um, Worked for a couple years there and kind of just did the same thing. I told the manager, I have goals. Like I have, um, a big goal. I know that I need to enjoy the climb, but I do want you to know where my head’s at.

So that was good. You know, I was honest and upfront about. My career aspirations and those were true. I thought I’m definitely going to have kids. I’m not going to not have kids. I knew I wanted kids in a family. I mean, I grew up in a family with four kids and our family is very close, so I don’t, it was never truly like, I wasn’t going to have kids.

I just never really thought about the reality or how that was going to go down. So probably two or three years later it was like, okay. I think it’s probably about the right time to have a kid who hold on a second. Do you just go back to them? I guess you just go back to work. Oh my gosh, you have to get a babysitter.

You have to not be with your, uh, dang it. I knew this was going to happen. I was going to like the kid and I was going to like my job. So I knew that was going to be an issue, but I didn’t really anticipate what kind of issue. So I just went through the pregnancy, kept working. No, you know, whatever here comes the baby.

I’ll talk to the baby. When it gets here, have the baby and did what moms do. Look at it. Oh my gosh. Cries. Like I love the baby. Went back to work. And I did all the things. Moms do pumping the milk, you know, doing the meetings and, um, just, it’s like a, it’s like a weird, it’s like a new thing where you look around the room.

Everybody did this. Everybody’s just cool with this, everybody just, this is how everybody does it. And I

Brad Seaman: [00:17:46] did you feel like you were living in an alternate universe?

Nicole Yunker: [00:17:50] A new thing. When you become a parent, you kind of look around the room differently and you’re kind of, you can just don’t know it until you’re in it.

And I guess all, you know, the amount of work is going on in your own home, you know, that what your body just went through and is still going through. Um, it’s a huge reality. It’s not just like, oh, you start a family and have kids. I mean, there’s so much more to it physically and emotionally. And I think the world talks about the financial implications of having kids, but, um, there’s a lot more to it, especially I think for one.

So I went back to work and I got logical, not emotional. I’m doing it. This is what I’m doing. This is how you do it. So we set up childcare with family and friends, and then I would like get the photo on my cell phone and be like, oh, what am I doing? Like, what am I actually doing? So I said, I’ll, I don’t know.

I was too scared to walk away from work. Cause I didn’t know how I was going to get back in or when, or at what capacity. And I didn’t want to leave that job because I had got, I was doing that. I mean, it was great. I was traveling around the world doing factory audits in different countries and I mean,

Brad Seaman: [00:18:58] so are you tracking, so you’re traveling, you have a bed, you have your bed.

What are all the kids’ names?

Nicole Yunker: [00:19:04] Um, at the time I was probably either before Austin pregnant with Austin or had Austin, he’s the oldest. And then he, and then I was like, you know what? If I have another baby, I’ll probably I’ll stay home. That’s what I do. If another baby came, I would do it. We’ll see what happens.

Well, then I had another baby, 18 months later, Genevieve, go on the maternity leave. Can’t quit the job. Call my boss. I’m like the last day I turned it into me. I’m going to say words. I can’t say, I can’t even say I’m you stay on? She said, you’re fine, Nicole, just stay home. It’s okay. So I said, all right. So I parted ways at that time when I had the second baby.

Okay. So then I had the second baby, then I was like, okay, well, my personality type is like, if I’m doing it, I’m doing it. So if I’m home, here’s the plan we are going on. Full-time mom. I knew what it was like to sit in my cube life and do that and cry eight hours and not be with my kids. And now that wasn’t my life and I also knew what it’s like to work a full-time job.

So if I, if that’s not my job and mom’s my job, I’m going to do my job. So, I mean, we pretty much just, I kind of went deep dive into mom life and I loved it. I don’t know. I just really enjoyed it. I got up and I started what you would do as a mom. I guess I took care of the kids and I did. I sat on the floor and did the puzzles and call friends over and took them to the library story time.

I did all the, I approached it like a job pretty much. This is my, my role was my career right now. Not really knowing what was going to be,

Brad Seaman: [00:20:39] so you’re, you’re a force. So, so what’s so, so I feel like we’re sort of marching towards, uh, I don’t know, but it feels like we’re sort of marching towards a climax here.

So what what’s next?

Nicole Yunker: [00:20:50] My husband at the time, and I had flipped houses, so we also had bought a fixer-upper. He is engineering, so he could do the work and design and I would do the design. And then I thought, what are we doing? Like all I’ll do the designing and the selling. You know, you can do the work and, um, the trade.

So I actually, I forgot this. I went back into real estate classes at night when I was pregnant with the first baby, I went, I said, I’m going to get my license and now’s the time to do it. So I would go to work. And then I came home and sat for all the real estate classes at night when I was pregnant with.

Cause we were working toward maybe both quitting jobs and just doing housekeeping.

Brad Seaman: [00:21:29] Did you have any, so prior to you getting into kind of flipping the houses and you’re a stay-at-home mom, you’ve got the first kid. Is there any, are you struggling with, like, I know a lot of moms, when they stay at home, they feel like they’ve lost their, their value in the workplace.

Uh, and I think vice versa, right? So moms that stay at home want to work and moms at work want to stay at home. Did you feel that too?

Nicole Yunker: [00:21:53] Oh, yeah, it’s pretty real. I mean, you go from being important in a different way to important in a totally different way. And it’s not being home with kids is, I mean, I loved it actually, but there’s not the notoriety.

There’s not the, um, comradery. There’s not, no one’s saying good job. You know, it’s a lot of giving. I mean, you’re literally a full-time caregiver and that’s a thankless job to a large extent. So you have to kind of, there’s a lot of mental game with staying home with kids. There’s a lot of talking yourself through it because it’s not shiny is not shiny.

And talk about getting the bolts in your hair and putting some makeup on. I mean, you gotta, you, what’s your drill. What is your plan? Because if not, you will. I mean, you’ll kind of, you’ll slow down. You’ll have some mental health trouble and it’s not. So I do think that that full-time caregiver of any kind, but especially with young kids is it’s a, it doesn’t get enough credit probably.

Brad Seaman: [00:22:57] Did you find, was there like a talk track that you’d have to like coach yourself through every day to, I think as a, as a dad, you don’t think about the implications or maybe what, what your spouse is dealing with as stay at home? Mom. So I’m curious,

Nicole Yunker: [00:23:09] there’s a lot of mantras. I probably, I think people tell themselves without even know that they tell themselves.

Um, there’s probably some tangible things I did. Like, I, I would start running. I was running, I would run a half marathon after I had each kid, like, and I would, oh, really? That’s

fascinating.

Brad Seaman: [00:23:26] I

Nicole Yunker: [00:23:26] would get that baby, whatever the time was that they woke up at the five. I mean, there was a time I went out and ran seven miles when the stars were still out.

Cause it was 4:00 AM. And I knew if I didn’t do it, then. I wasn’t ever going to get it in. I mean, I’m kind of a goer.

Brad Seaman: [00:23:43] No, no, for sure. I know, I know that about you, you know, you’re, you’re, you’re a force for sure. Um,

Nicole Yunker: [00:23:48] so anyway, so then I took the real estate classes when I had the first baby, but then I just thought, what am I actually doing?

Like, how’s this going to go down? I just, I kind of listened to the naysayers and I kind of just looked at the reality and thought about the reality. Yeah. I don’t think it works to have a little baby and be doing this kind of job and the way I think I’m going to be doing it. And I said, you know what?

There is a time for everything. And it is not my time. My time right now is to be home with these kids. So it’s just not the right time. I need to put that on the back burner. I liked, I want to do it, but it’s just not time. It’s not my time to shine. And if I keep putting myself in the equation at this point in my life, I’m not going to do anything.

Well, I’m always going to be, I don’t know if you’re allowed to curse on this bit sheet. I’m always going to be in a bad mood. I’m always going to, you know, it’s just not, I can’t put myself first right now. And I realized if there’s, I might be able to do one thing for myself that day. And if that was going on a 20 minute run, that’s all I did.

That’s it. But right now, young kids it’s, I mean, You can’t say not now you have to say yes. So I just knew it. Wasn’t my time to shine. It. Wasn’t my time to have a job. It wasn’t my time to think I had a job and try to do it on the side. And it wasn’t fair to the, the mission of me being home.

Brad Seaman: [00:25:09] Now do you, do you feel like your or Yukon, so you’re obviously kind of have clarity on these experiences.

Were you that clear when they were happening? Were you able to be like, okay, Hey, you know, I want to do this, but I’m going to park this. No,

Nicole Yunker: [00:25:23] I learned it along the way. Like I think I learned it as I went like for awhile. I really relied on my husband to like, allow me the freedom. Oh, I want to get up. I want to get this in or I want to do that.

So I would be really upset with him. Like, well, you’re not home, so I can’t do this. And he would say, figure it out. Then you need to figure it out. And it took a long time for me to figure that these right, I cannot. And then I learned once I let go of, I can rely on him for anything. And I just relied on myself.

Then I, I wasn’t upset with anybody. I wasn’t blaming anybody. I didn’t have that tension. I just said, okay, this is my life. These kids are, this is my day. I need to figure it out. And that’s when I would just own the time that I could do things and not rely on. Um, yeah, actually I told a friend that the other day, I think all you need to do when you have young kids for this is a vice for a man.

She’s not going to want it. She’s going to think she doesn’t need it, but set up 90 minutes, maybe two hours. If you’re crazy, once a week, where you hire a babysitter, it’s the girl down the street or whatever. Every Monday from two to four or Friday from nine to 11, whatever it is, and just set it up and pay for it, it will go dividends.

Brad Seaman: [00:26:32] Right. Does anybody out there with young kids, 90, 90 minutes? That’s a good, that’s a good takeaway. Well, I think as a mom, you know, they’re just as a parent, I mean, parents, parent is all in. Right. And you gotta really think about, um, you know, I came, I’ve come out of a. I was looking on my phone over the weekend.

And there was a period of time where, um, we play and the kids would play a lot of golf. And so, uh, no mom ever told I’ve not heard any, any, uh, any mother or any wife that was mad at her husband for taking the kids out of the house for three hours to go play golf with them. Um, now if you go by yourself, they don’t like that.

But if you take the kids with you, that’s like, that’s, that’s a true, that’s awesome. Right. So I was looking back on my phone and the, we did just have tons and tons of pictures of us playing. Okay. And it just reminded me. Um, I think COVID sort of, should’ve maybe sped that up, but I think it slowed it down.

And I was just thinking to myself, man, how important it is to be intentional, to take that time the times with your kids to be, um, to go out and do stuff, whether it’s golf or basketball. And, uh, and I’m very active, um, with the, with my kids, uh, in terms of being in their sports and all their extracurricular activities.

But outside of that right now, Taking specific time to go out and be, um, be a part part of their lives. I think that’s important.